Do you Code from scratch or use framework ?

codefreek · 06-19-2009, 01:58 PM

Do you do a website from Null, or use a framework ?.

sketchMedia · 06-19-2009, 02:36 PM

I mostly use my own personal (i suppose you could call it a framework) mvc system, i can never be bothered to take the time to learn a new framework.

adamdecaf · 06-19-2009, 03:06 PM

Null, I've always learned the language and then applied it. Plus for competitions I can't use any frameworks so starting from scratch is really helpful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by knight13

I have always seen people talking about frameworks, but i never seen it mentioned in any of the php books i read or at least i do not think i have, what exactly are they? and what are they used for?

PHP frameworks are just like JS frameworks in they provide a simple solution to problems. They are often premade software (wordpress, joomla, jquery, mootools, ect...).

A few days ago there was a PHP Mail framework, it really simplified the process of sending mail.

For example this is what you would normally code:

PHP Code:


			
<?php
// Declare the variables
$to = $_POST['to'];
$from = "From: adam@example.com";
$subject = $_POST['subject'];
$message = $_POST['message'];

// Now validate the three $_POST's.
/**
 *
 *  ...........................
 *
 */

// Now send the message.
flush();
   mail($to, $subject, $message, $frrom);
flush();

echo 'Message Sent!';

?>

While the PHP framework may have just required this.

PHP Code:


			
<?php
// Collect the information
$mail = new MAIL;
$mail->to($_POST['to']);
$mail->subject($_POST['subject']);
$mail->message($_POST['message']);
$mail->from("adam@example.com");

$mail->send();
?>

The framework will deal with any and all errors, validation, and editing.

Frameworks just make the job(s)/task(s) simpler, at the cost of reliance on licenses and learning the "language".

codefreek · 06-19-2009, 03:30 PM

@knight13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akelos_PHP_Framework

ETbyrne · 06-19-2009, 03:57 PM

Both, I use my framework.

Village Idiot · 06-19-2009, 04:11 PM

I find framework rather pointless, most add layers of abstractions where they do not need to be added. Others pile on more than needs to be added. Whatever the case I've never found a useful PHP framework.

Tanax · 06-19-2009, 04:16 PM

I'm using my own framework.

tony · 06-19-2009, 04:50 PM

I code from scratch, not even my own framework, i just plan the project needs in a MVC form and start coding (with maintainability and extensibility as much as I can do)

But I've been thinking of looking to use kohana I don't know, I like working in every aspect of the project from scratch.

codefreek · 06-19-2009, 05:35 PM

i kinda agree, with Village Idiot.
Sure you can use a framework but i would just as easily,
be happy with a good CRUD system, and thats it,
well thanks everyone for your thoughts on this.

Village Idiot · 06-19-2009, 05:58 PM

Out of interest, why have you been formatting your posts so weirdly lately?

ETbyrne · 06-19-2009, 11:20 PM

I have to disagree with codefreek and Village Idiot. I think (some) frameworks are great for quickly building complex web applications. However, the majority of them just make things more complicated.

codefreek · 06-20-2009, 01:05 AM

Village Idiot, i have made a firefox plugin that highlights words that are more important so if you fast read you will see
the important words and might have an idea on what the text is about so you don't have to be reading the whole thing but the plugin is in beta still, and the color mix might not be that good but i have to follow a color Schema, because not all colors attracts the eye to the word etc..

Hope that answered your question..

Village Idiot · 06-20-2009, 01:22 AM

I see. I tried fast reading and it did no good, it just looks weird.

codefreek · 06-20-2009, 01:33 AM

It's still in beta as i said before..
But i have turned it off for now ;)

ryanmr · 06-20-2009, 12:48 PM

That's a pretty neat Firefox plugin, codefreak!
Anyway, I've tried CodeIgniter and CakePHP but I've never been able to figure them out completely. I have been piecing together my own mini-framework together but MVC has clicked with either, so it's just a plain helper based system.

Tanax · 06-20-2009, 01:12 PM

Lol, cool plugin!

Jim · 06-22-2009, 12:42 PM

Normally i would use my own Frameworks, but here at work i used both CakePHP and CodeIgniter.

Cake sucks (very) hard but CodeIgniter is pretty easy and works like a charm.

Sirupsen · 06-22-2009, 01:21 PM

Still kind of in the deep learning progress of PHP, and therefore I decided to not use a framework. I want to know how everything works. That's a good learning process for me at least. :)

xenon · 06-22-2009, 01:27 PM

WebGear is the framework of my choice. Mainly, because it's written by myself, and secondly, because I don't appreciate low quality coding. It just makes the whole programmers community look bad because they're too busy being arrogant, they forgot to learn anything from 2002 until now.