Yes, I don't use it anymore though considering it crashed a lot.

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im using version 2007 and i havent seen it crash yet on a windows xp system.

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Yeah, I said as much in my first reply.And I've used both 2007 and 2008, and have copies of each. I've never had the application crash and I've had it for 9+ months. Now, I did hit a weird hotkey that sent selection mode completely screwy, but I think I sorted that out.

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Where is Eclipse?

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people use frontpage?!

Paper and gVim(vi if im developing on linux) and occasionally Zend

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Yep, me. I'm using the 2008 version.

Same here. phpDesigner and Zend don't offer the CSS makeup and tips like DreamWeaver does.

I've just downloaded Zend on the try and I like it, but can somebody explain me the difference between all those programs? Eclipse and such. I must say, Zend looks awesome.

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Only professionals work with Eclipse (me included, simply because I rule) No, really, I haven't seen alot of people work with Eclipse, and I can't figure out what is the reason for this, since it's an extremely powerful and extensible IDE (as compared to Zend Studio, which is closed source and I personally detest it, so...).

Respawn: the latest Zend Studio (Zend Studio for Eclipse, that is), is based on Eclipse PDT (PHP Development Tools), and looks just like its father (or mother, which ever you prefer). Still, it's not free ($399). And that's why Zend sucks.

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Heres what I do....

for HTML and CSS, I use Dreamweaver (didnt pay for it :/). The suggestions have completely spoiled me.

For learning a language, I use Notepad++, because it helps a little with the syntax (not too much), helps you stay organized, and doesn't spoil you.

Full blown sites: Zend Studio
I don't even know what an IDE is, I just like it's medium weight interface and its project management capabilities.

I will look into phpdesigner and Eclipse, I think every software should be tried before it is decided on what your favorite is.

Edit: after looking at the software, it comes down to PHPDESIGNER or Zend Studio for the top... At least in my eyes.

The major difference is price and cross-platform capabilities. phpDesigner is cost effective for the features, it has almost everything Zend does, but it isn't cross platform. Zend, on the other hand, is written in Java and can be used on other OSes; I found it to graphically freeze if an explorer window was drawn on top of it, though.

The thing to remember is that being spoiled is unimportant if you can write the same code outside the IDE. All the PHP I do I can freehand in a browser edit box, or type into notepad. The IDE facilitates faster development, but we should always make sure we remember how things work without the IDE. I may not remember every function, or every class, but there's a handy-dandy PHP manual that fills the gaps.

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What is the popup suggestion stuff that dreamweaver does called? Does Zend or Eclipse or any major IDE do that?

ah its called code assist in Zend Studio. Nice feature =)

(Funny how no one uses Frontpage! )

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lol, why would someone want to use that? It's a tool sent from hell, straight by Satan. So again, why would someone use it?

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I've never even touched it, what is it exactly?

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Think of Dreamweaver, but...BAD.

Like, the old Dreamweaver, but worse, in MICROSOFT's hands. And we all know what IE does to DOCTYPE-less HTML pages...

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i've used alot of IDE's out there and here is my thoughts on them.

Frontpage - great for writing html, its kind of like notepad , it runs quick and gets small jobs done.

Dreamweaver - can be slow, great for html, and css

ExpressionWeb - very good for designing tables and css and coding nice web 2.0 layouts. no other use

PHP Designer - has a code intelisense(whatever its called) basic layout which i love. works quickly , doesnt like like most others.

Zend Studio - too many buttons, laggy software, at first i found this software to be very cool then when i saw php designer zend studio looked useless to me. too much for no reason.

Notepad - great for writing up fast scripts, studying, practicing, and getting to know the code blindfolded and great for troubleshooting.

VisualStudio - laggy software, connecting to a sql database or even trying to code it laggs. so i find it to be dumb. then there is the asp or asp.net coding for it which asp or asp.net is dumb because it reliese on a windows platform. so anywho...

if i missed any let me know.

my winners are: PHP Designer + Notepad

I like an IDE that looks basic while having all accessable buttons, views to me anything else is dumb. thats why i chose what i chose.

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I like Dreamweaver, simply because it gives you the layout you need when you open a new document, has code intelligence for every lang, and has buttons that type the most-typed things in a specific language. Aside from that it carries the best JavaScript support, and the best CSS support. It even helps me out when I am trying to position something perfectly--if it works in Dreamweavers browser, it works in every browser. It does lag sometimes, so it isn't for small projects, or PHP projects. Its PHP support is very minimal, and I don't think it supports content highlighting for OOP.

Notepad++
I can't live without it. The thing is extremely useful for learning a language. My favorite part about it is that there is no lag whatsoever. It seems as lightweight as notepad, but supports multiple documents (tabs) and can be configured to highlight syntax.

Zend Studio
Laggy like Dreamweaver, and kind of overwhelming if you don't spend hours in the help and documentation screens. All in all, I don't code much in PHP, so I can't really say much about it.

Eclipse and vim? (casually kate for small modifications) Yes I know, I'm a classic. But again, classic tools are the best

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whats the purpose of eclipse ? in zend i dont understand it..

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Think of Eclipse as an IDE Framework. It has all the basic properties of an IDE such as file management, projects, multiple windows, and so on.

Other developers then use this IDE Framework as a basis for their own products. In the case of Zend, they used the Eclipse IDE as the basis for their new version of Zend Studio. Previously, it ran on their own Java-based IDE, now it runs on Eclipse.

Alan