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01-13-2008, 05:44 PM
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The Frequenter
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Eclipse PDT.
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01-14-2008, 11:26 AM
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The Acquainted
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Dreamweaver for myself. and i use only the Code view nowdays.... i think itīs excellent for programming, it gives me code completion, popup tips about functions, FTP, really neat CSS editing.
For smaller editing i recently found Notepad++ being really nice.
@xenon:
- Saying things like that without proper facts, makes you just look stupid in my eyes. of course you have the right to your opinion. But donīt make people who love the software out to be less intelligent just because you yourself donīt like the software.
and to conclude: I have a special love for the Software called "Homesite" anyone remembers that one ?
Cheers.
/EyeDentify
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01-14-2008, 02:21 PM
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The Frequenter
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Originally Posted by EyeDentify
Dreamweaver for myself. and i use only the Code view nowdays.... i think itīs excellent for programming, it gives me code completion, popup tips about functions, FTP, really neat CSS editing.
For smaller editing i recently found Notepad++ being really nice.
@xenon:
- Saying things like that without proper facts, makes you just look stupid in my eyes. of course you have the right to your opinion. But donīt make people who love the software out to be less intelligent just because you yourself donīt like the software.
and to conclude: I have a special love for the Software called "Homesite" anyone remembers that one ?
Cheers.
/EyeDentify
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Wasn't "Homesite" a product from Macromedia? I've think I heard the name before.
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01-14-2008, 02:47 PM
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The Addict
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If I remember, HomeSite was also a mass-hosting system/location for a great many smaller sites. I think it had it's own editor, which might be what you're thinking of Kalle.
EyeDentify, I have all the features of Dreamweaver and Zend Studio in a cheaper copy of phpDesigner Pro. Code complete, tips about functions, and even tips about parsing errors direct from PHP. I do mean everything. And without the instability of Zend Studio's window code; any time I dragged an explorer window over it, it wouldn't render again. (Until minimized and restored.) If you like Dreamweaver, so be it, but I refuse to pay $100+ for an application I can get for $43.  That's my primary reason.
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I'm primarily a Windows-software developer so I'm completely the opposite - the more code the software writes the better Wouldn't know what to do without Visual Studio writing half my code for me
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I certainly hope you know what that wizard code does and could write it on your own, else you're programming by coincidence. Those kinds have more bugs and worse, you're not in total control over your project. (Ref: The Pragmatic Programmer, page 198) Nothing wrong with code generation, if you know what it does.
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01-14-2008, 03:04 PM
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The Frequenter
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I wasn't refering to the wizard code, I was refering to the drag-n-drop designer for creating forms :)
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01-14-2008, 03:06 PM
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Hehe, GOOD. The form designer is great, but the serious parts of wizard code can be a hindrance if the programmer doesn't understand them. 
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01-14-2008, 04:40 PM
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The Acquainted
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertK
If I remember, HomeSite was also a mass-hosting system/location for a great many smaller sites. I think it had it's own editor, which might be what you're thinking of Kalle.
EyeDentify, I have all the features of Dreamweaver and Zend Studio in a cheaper copy of phpDesigner Pro. Code complete, tips about functions, and even tips about parsing errors direct from PHP. I do mean everything. And without the instability of Zend Studio's window code; any time I dragged an explorer window over it, it wouldn't render again. (Until minimized and restored.) If you like Dreamweaver, so be it, but I refuse to pay $100+ for an application I can get for $43.  That's my primary reason.
I certainly hope you know what that wizard code does and could write it on your own, else you're programming by coincidence. Those kinds have more bugs and worse, you're not in total control over your project. (Ref: The Pragmatic Programmer, page 198) Nothing wrong with code generation, if you know what it does.
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Thx for the tip :) I will certenly have a look att phpDesigner Pro.
Cheers ;)
/EyeDentify
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01-14-2008, 08:15 PM
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The Frequenter
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EyeDentify
@xenon:
- Saying things like that without proper facts, makes you just look stupid in my eyes. of course you have the right to your opinion. But donīt make people who love the software out to be less intelligent just because you yourself donīt like the software.
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I really don't care how I look into your or other's eyes. You want facts? Check out a PHP specialized editor and see what I'm talking about. Be more careful, try to learn the distinction between "Dreamweaver is a bad editor" and "Dreamweaver is a bad PHP editor".
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01-14-2008, 08:51 PM
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The Frequenter
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Come on fellas, can't we just agree to disagree?
Whilst Dreamweaver isn't in the same league as a fully-fledged PHP IDE such as PHPEd or Zend Studio, it does a reasonable job of PHP editing - better than Notepad anyway (/runs from the wrath of Notepad users  )
Alan.
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01-14-2008, 08:52 PM
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can you extend on why Dreamweaver is bad editor putting aside the weird little html incidents years ago.
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01-14-2008, 09:33 PM
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The price. $400 USD. Spry can be easily be replaced by something like MooTools, jQuery, Scriptaculos, or Prototype all for free. That said, Spry appears to be free too. Though Spry's samples are all somewhat sluggish, as expected from the touted user friendliness. The browser compatibility check, for the CSS stuff too, can all be done online by a third party. Photoshop and Fireworks integration, whee. I see nothing worth the value. Worse, it's made by Adobe--well renowned for their resource hogging applications.
Those are my reasons, but I prefer to agree to disagree.
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01-15-2008, 11:19 PM
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The Addict
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I just began using PHP Designer Pro 2007, and RobertK, I must agree with you it's an excellent piece of software. Although it may not have the built in FTP (To my knowledge, I've yet to really play around with)it very well makes up for it.
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01-15-2008, 11:31 PM
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TlcAndres; I've got phpDesigner Pro 2008, version 6, (just upgraded yesterday) and it does have FTP support.  I'm glad you like it.
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01-16-2008, 12:05 AM
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La Vida es Sueņo
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I need a new FTP client if we're swaying towards FTP now  I've had it with SmartFTP - it messes me around too much. CuteFTP I didn't like. WS_FTP doesn't work with Vista. Anybody know any seriously decent FTP client?
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01-16-2008, 12:40 AM
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The Frequenter
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I've always used FlashFXP, fantastic bit of software - FlashFXP by iniCom Networks
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01-16-2008, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildhoney
I need a new FTP client if we're swaying towards FTP now  I've had it with SmartFTP - it messes me around too much. CuteFTP I didn't like. WS_FTP doesn't work with Vista. Anybody know any seriously decent FTP client?
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FileZilla here.  Awesome piece of software.
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Programmers are in a race with the Universe to create bigger and better idiot-proof programs, while the Universe is trying to create bigger and better idiots. So far the Universe is winning. - Rich Cook
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01-16-2008, 01:56 AM
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La Vida es Sueņo
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I downloaded FileZilla just after my post. Looks good up to now! But I can't seem to the hide the little frame on the far left which lists local files. I can toggle the one above it, and the one above the FTP files, but just not that one  !
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01-16-2008, 02:27 AM
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The Acquainted
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Intype. Simply amazing.
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Originally Posted by Wildhoney
I downloaded FileZilla just after my post. Looks good up to now! But I can't seem to the hide the little frame on the far left which lists local files. I can toggle the one above it, and the one above the FTP files, but just not that one  !
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I've been looking as well. You could do it in the older version, but can't seem to find the option. I've simply just made it small so it is out of my way.
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01-16-2008, 01:40 PM
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The Addict
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Well, as of 3.0 you cannot hide that pane. Doesn't bug me because I go through using it and explorer, depending on which directory is closer to where I want.
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