Nowadays there's lots of these shiny awesome MVC (and other patterns as well) frameworks, and I love them. I kept trying getting a friend of mine to use one of them, or at least the pattern, but he kept refusing. Then one day he brought up an argument I just didn't have the reply for: PHP aren't that fast with classes and in stuff like ASP.NET the application is persistant, only making the required calls and not bootstrapping the whole application each time the page loads. So therefor I have come to you, TalkPHP. What is your opinion?