Well, i liked cake i really did, but whenever you discovered a limitation it was a pain in the arse to work around it, that and the fact it takes over certain parts of the programs, i like to use the $szString type variables everywhere cake just seems to promote the "do it cakes way or the high way" which i dislike.

The page class was just an example karl, i like the MVC pattern way of doing things aswell. Maybe if someday we were to wrap the Zend Framework around our own framework using the MVC pattern? Or would that be basically mean we may aswell use the Zend framework.

What i would like, would be to use the functionality from the Zend Framework as library extensions, and then to create a custom framework that works like Cake did using the MVC framework and having automated parts to the design of it. (Urls, set/get variables etc).

So like basically our own version of Cake with the Zend framework used for the behind the scenes workings. (Validation, general usage etc)