hah nope, I only know enough english to read the first two sentences of a post. When I hear META redirect, I think of the META html element though, so I just stopped reading. We all know you love your 40yr old scotch VI. Don't try to deny it. I know your level of work, and I've dealt with some of the same type of clients I know you have. It's hard not to be a little tipsy by afternoon. *hic*