Again that is similar to what i have. I idealy would like to have like a parent class of $app and all classes under that $app->class as its a framework im making so it needs to be simple code to use. I already have the $app->class->function() working but i need to make it so i dont have to keep doing $app = new app;. the reason for needing it is i use a lot of included files and classes in other classes