I'm 12. And who are you referring to, regarding the most stupid method xenon? Moi? It may be, I won't disagree with that. As I've stated I'm javascript stupid. I could, and probably should go and do at least some basic tutorials to get my feet wet with it again, but I've got so much on my plate that I'm avoiding that for right now. Not a good excuse, but a valid one. Thank you everybody for the help here. -m EDIT: seriously, vBulletin is removing all my line breaks and just being odd right now.