@Village Idiot
ok I have no idea why you can hardly read my English... it is just fine, maybe you have trouble reading it for some other reason? and to your last statement: "Also, if you want anyone to put any real time into helping you, you should put a little more time into making your posts in decent English."
I have been making spelling mistakes ever since 1st grade,a dn so I always look back over my posts a few times. if that is not enough time spent I don't know what is. I have seen other posts on here that get tons better answers than your answer with out even a clearly asked question, like I did.

any way I am not wanting help with that iframes themsleves, just wanting to know if I can refresh them using php.
I know that if I drop a meta refresh in an echo statement that will work for refreshing the frame that the meta refresh is located in. I have no idea how on earth you can possibly replace the iframe with a div in my example. each iframe in my example loads form 2 different domains. one is my domain, the other a online game's domain.
But I will look in to using ajax and divs when I am working with all the same domain. That might help me I on one of my web sites.